Middle-earth: Shadow of War unveiled

Commented on 2017-02-27 17:45:30

The first one was simply amazing. it was all I hoped for. the combat was everything the Arkham series started but failed to polish and build upon. I'm eagerly looking forward to this one.

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MinorDespera

Commented on 2017-02-27 18:02:56

For me Shadow of Mordor seemed solid but still lacking something, lots of ground to improve on. It was short, the fights were too easy (as any other Arkham-style combat brawlers), and it had only one real boss fight, the other was a stealth segment and the final boss was a quick time event. I really liked the Nemesis system and I hope they'll improve and expand it. All in all if Monolith repeats the formula and doesn't do anything stupid it should be good. After all they're a company with a good game record, they've made F.E.A.R., Condemned, Tron 2.0, Aliens versus Predator 2 and No One Lives Forever, all great games.

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MinorDespera

Commented on 2017-02-27 18:25:14

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Although adding a token black guy for political correctness checklist is... yeah. Especially considering the source material. I believe it's the first black in LotR universe.

asdfg

Commented on 2017-02-27 18:30:06 In reply to MinorDespera

Posted by MinorDespera

Although adding a token black guy for political correctness checklist is... yeah. Especially considering the source material. I believe it's the first black in LotR universe.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Haradrim

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infamouz956

Commented on 2017-02-27 18:38:12

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ahh they fu**ed it up, and im not going to say how here. Pass
^guy up there said it
fu** political correctness man, dum**** liberals, cancer they are

Yarost

Commented on 2017-02-27 19:05:10

"waaaaah waaaaah a black guy waaaaah" Seriously this generation of closet racist gamers are friggin' annoying, spamming the comments sections everywhere with all their immature xenophobic whinings and paranoia about sjw agendas. I can't find a single gaming website now that's devoid of their constant cry me a river baby cries.

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AndreasZ94

Commented on 2017-02-27 19:12:51

Can't wait. I really liked the first one but it had some issues i hope they ve fixed

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MinorDespera

Commented on 2017-02-27 19:40:54 In reply to Yarost

Posted by Yarost

paranoia about sjw agendas

Oh, come on. It's not paranoia, diversity is something companies and people strive to nowadays. This year's Oscars for example, after 2 years of #oscarssowhite hashtag shaming on twitter Jimmy Kimmel gleefully says "I want to say thank you to president Trump, I mean, remember last year when it seemed like the Oscars were racist?" implying that Oscars not being diverse enough in the past was a racism prejudice problem.
Back to videogames, Naughty Dog said that character diversity is as important as gameplay http://www.gamespot.com/articles/uncharted-dev-say... (although come on, everyone laughed at how ridiculously Mary Sue they've made Nadine, they went overboard with that)
And I'm not going digging for these examples, either, I'm just showing that it's not some /pol/ lunatics seeing conspiracies in everything, it's an actual directives and guidelines people follow. And it's okay, writers and artists should be able to put whatever they want into their creations. I'm not saying anything about Finn and Rei in new Star Wars movies because they fit and are enjoyable characters, but when diversity issue is handled so hamfisted as in Battlefield 1 or this game with no regards to source material, then it's bad.

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[quote=Yarost]paranoia about sjw agendas[/quote]
Oh, come on. It's not paranoia, diversity is something companies and people strive to nowadays. This year's Oscars for example, after 2 years of #oscarssowhite hashtag shaming on twitter Jimmy Kimmel gleefully says "I want to say thank you to president Trump, I mean, remember last year when it seemed like the Oscars were racist?" implying that Oscars not being diverse enough in the past was a racism prejudice problem.
Back to videogames, Naughty Dog said that character diversity is as important as gameplay http://www.gamespot.com/articles/uncharted-dev-says-character-diversity-just-as-imp/1100-6441800/ (although come on, everyone laughed at how ridiculously Mary Sue they've made Nadine, they went overboard with that)
And I'm not going digging for these examples, either, I'm just showing that it's not some /pol/ lunatics seeing conspiracies in everything, it's an actual directives and guidelines people follow. And it's okay, writers and artists should be able to put whatever they want into their creations. I'm not saying anything about Finn and Rei in new Star Wars movies because they fit and are enjoyable characters, but when diversity issue is handled so hamfisted as in Battlefield 1 or this game with no regards to source material, then it's bad.

Eamon

Commented on 2017-02-27 21:30:48

I too was a bit baffled by the black guy. I'm pretty sure there aren't any black people in Gondor. Unless, the dude is a descendant from the Men down south.

But anyway, I don't really care much. This was just a CG announcement trailer anyway.

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AndreasZ94

Commented on 2017-02-27 21:50:58

Im curious who is writing the game this time. I don't think Christian Cantamessa (red dead redemption, mordor) will be back for the sequel and John Gonzalez left to do Horizon. Im hoping there is more story this time since it seems they are going the alternative universe route

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Sath

Commented on 2017-02-27 21:57:13

I never liked the character head design, Aragorn wannabe tbh hopefully we can swap or add (beard).

I also hope its not repetitive since first one became that and freaking boring, though fantastic combat.

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AndreasZ94

Commented on 2017-02-27 23:06:08 In reply to Sath

In the first dlc he had a glorious beard. I wish they would keep it in this game too

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lumzi23

Commented on 2017-02-28 00:35:55

When I heard the whole black guy thing in the comments I was a little concerned... until I watched the video. Clearly they are taking more liberties with the lore than just race of one guy. A guy bound to the spirit of an elf forging a ring of power at mount doom? Clearly not 100% true to Tolkien's fiction in any event.

That said I seem to have noticed a trend where it seems as though they are trying fill people of various genders/races etc in as many places as possible.

While I think it is important that there be more diversity in general I don't there HAS to be. For instance, it is important that there be more black people, asian people, women etc I don't think it should become a numbers thing. For instance, I don't think there HAS to be female protagonist of GTA by force. If the creators want to and had an interesting concept? Sure. Or I don't think that Lara Croft has to become a Black woman/man or any other thing just for the sake of diversity.

When I was younger I used to long deeply for more black characters in films and also felt that black people I saw in films were different from my own local culture (I am a Nigerian). At a point, it got so bad that it even became resentment against white people for "suppressing, oppressing and stealing our culture." I am glad I got away from that mindset.

That is not to say that I am not happy and glad to see black characters well rendered in various media or hear of a high quality film made by a black person. I very much am. All I am saying is that passion and creativity should be guiding force of any creative pursuit not playing to demographics.

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When I heard the whole black guy thing in the comments I was a little concerned... until I watched the video. Clearly they are taking more liberties with the lore than just race of one guy. A guy bound to the spirit of an elf forging a ring of power at mount doom? Clearly not 100% true to Tolkien's fiction in any event.

That said I seem to have noticed a trend where it seems as though they are trying fill people of various genders/races etc in as many places as possible.

While I think it is important that there be more diversity in general I don't there HAS to be. For instance, it is important that there be more black people, asian people, women etc I don't think it should become a numbers thing. For instance, I don't think there HAS to be female protagonist of GTA by force. If the creators want to and had an interesting concept? Sure. Or I don't think that Lara Croft has to become a Black woman/man or any other thing just for the sake of diversity.

When I was younger I used to long deeply for more black characters in films and also felt that black people I saw in films were different from my own local culture (I am a Nigerian). At a point, it got so bad that it even became resentment against white people for "suppressing, oppressing and stealing our culture." I am glad I got away from that mindset.

That is not to say that I am not happy and glad to see black characters well rendered in various media or hear of a high quality film made by a black person. I very much am. All I am saying is that passion and creativity should be guiding force of any creative pursuit not playing to demographics.

lumzi23

Commented on 2017-02-28 01:00:40

This should replace the last sentence above. I find it more accurate and honest.

All I am saying is you don't to make your game, comic, film about fitting every ethnicity and gender in any corner possible. I personally like things to be a bit more flexible.

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Sath

Commented on 2017-02-28 08:07:27 In reply to AndreasZ94

Posted by AndreasZ94

In the first dlc he had a glorious beard. I wish they would keep it in this game too

they better :)

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ManCrush

Commented on 2017-02-28 21:09:47 In reply to asdfg

Posted by asdfg

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Haradrim

I spit my tea, when I saw Lifespan section. That's the dorkiest dorkiness I've ever dorkened.

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ManCrush

Commented on 2017-02-28 21:12:36 In reply to Yarost

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Posted by Yarost

"waaaaah waaaaah a black guy waaaaah" Seriously this generation of closet racist gamers are friggin' annoying, spamming the comments sections everywhere with all their immature xenophobic whinings and paranoia about sjw agendas. I can't find a single gaming website now that's devoid of their constant cry me a river baby cries.

Racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Not sure how not wanting Y in your X is racism. Lore notwithstanding.

ManCrush

Commented on 2017-02-28 21:19:04 In reply to Sath

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I honestly believe that American white guilt and craving for media buzz are ruining artistic integrity hard. It's also the absolute worst aspect of Americanisation and Globalization. People from Finland start believing that their ancestors owned slaves and they are somehow in debt to the Middle East or Africa. It's probably funnier than anything else, though. For now.

ManCrush

Commented on 2017-02-28 21:21:53 In reply to lumzi23

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Posted by lumzi23

When I heard the whole black guy thing in the comments I was a little concerned... until I watched the video. Clearly they are taking more liberties with the lore than just race of one guy. A guy bound to the spirit of an elf forging a ring of power at mount doom? Clearly not 100% true to Tolkien's fiction in any event.

That said I seem to have noticed a trend where it seems as though they are trying fill people of various genders/races etc in as many places as possible.

While I think it is important that there be more diversity in general I don't there HAS to be. For instance, it is important that there be more black people, asian people, women etc I don't think it should become a numbers thing. For instance, I don't think there HAS to be female protagonist of GTA by force. If the creators want to and had an interesting concept? Sure. Or I don't think that Lara Croft has to become a Black woman/man or any other thing just for the sake of diversity.

When I was younger I used to long deeply for more black characters in films and also felt that black people I saw in films were different from my own local culture (I am a Nigerian). At a point, it got so bad that it even became resentment against white people for "suppressing, oppressing and stealing our culture." I am glad I got away from that mindset.

That is not to say that I am not happy and glad to see black characters well rendered in various media or hear of a high quality film made by a black person. I very much am. All I am saying is that passion and creativity should be guiding force of any creative pursuit not playing to demographics.

American blacks have ruined it for all of us.

jk

White American liberals did :P

ManCrush

Commented on 2017-02-28 21:27:32

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Almost forgot. I'd love to play a good action game, set in Sub-Saharan Africa. But I doubt that shoving "african-Americans" in every game will make me less racist than I already am.

Yarost

Commented on 2017-02-28 22:40:28 In reply to ManCrush

Posted by ManCrush

waaah argumentation waaah

White colored people not wanting dark skinned people to be represented in a setting that also has fans amongst said dark skinned people ( Yeah there are many black fans of Middle-Earth ) is racism to me. Also, you "that's a liberal agenda" folks always whine about how it's a diversity master-plan being pushed by white devs and ignoring the fact that there ARE many black video game developpers that work in this industry and who would like to have people of colors fairly represented in this medium.

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KORNdog

Commented on 2017-02-28 22:52:31 In reply to ManCrush

Posted by ManCrush

I doubt that shoving "african-Americans" in every game will make me less racist than I already am.

Oh, you seem plenty racist, i don't doubt that for a second.

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ManCrush

Commented on 2017-03-01 10:09:57 In reply to KORNdog

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Posted by KORNdog

Oh, you seem plenty racist, i don't doubt that for a second.

I'm a moderate racist then :P

ManCrush

Commented on 2017-03-01 10:14:48 In reply to Yarost

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Posted by Yarost

White colored people not wanting dark skinned people to be represented in a setting that also has fans amongst said dark skinned people ( Yeah there are many black fans of Middle-Earth ) is racism to me. Also, you "that's a liberal agenda" folks always whine about how it's a diversity master-plan being pushed by white devs and ignoring the fact that there ARE many black video game developpers that work in this industry and who would like to have people of colors fairly represented in this medium.

Less of a plan, and more of a cattle herd doing what's cool these days. With marketing teams being their shepherds.

MinorDespera

Commented on 2017-03-01 11:06:00 In reply to KORNdog

Posted by KORNdog

Oh, you seem plenty racist

Posted by InigoMontoya

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

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