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Since 6675 Days

http://www.ownage.nl/news/20900/

looks very good, I hope they release a demo soon...really looking forward to see it in motion.

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wuca

Since 6638 Days

nice

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alimokrane

Since 6734 Days

I dont know how you guys think these look. they look absolutely horrible! The dragons are textures mess, the levels are bland and lifeless!

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JediMasterMalik

Since 6540 Days

Looks nice, don't like their particle effects for the fire and stuff though.

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Posted by alimokrane

I dont know how you guys think these look. they look absolutely horrible! The dragons are textures mess, the levels are bland and lifeless!

That's why I want to see this in motion. Screens don't do a game justice most of the time.

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Jollipop

Since 6687 Days

Looks good considering its supposed to be targeted for 1080p.

But it could have looked much better at 720p.

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alimokrane

Since 6734 Days

Posted by Martijn_

That's why I want to see this in motion. Screens don't do a game justice most of the time.

Fine, but seeing things in motion wont make the colors change now would it ? Same goes for Gears of War, the game was simply lifeless when it come to the levels. a game developer who doesnt know how to mix colors up and rely on gradient levels of the same color doesnt deserve praises in my book. simple!
games like God of War, Prince of Persia Sands of time (not WW or The Two thrones) and Final Fantasy are perfect examples of outstading art direction.

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Phaethon360

Since 6650 Days

I dunno. The textures look a little off to me. But my only complaint was that it wasn't locked at 30fps. When they do that I'll be happy.

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dcdelgado

Since 6664 Days

Posted by alimokrane

Fine, but seeing things in motion wont make the colors change now would it ? Same goes for Gears of War, the game was simply lifeless when it come to the levels. a game developer who doesnt know how to mix colors up and rely on gradient levels of the same color doesnt deserve praises in my book. simple!
games like God of War, Prince of Persia Sands of time (not WW or The Two thrones) and Final Fantasy are perfect examples of outstading art direction.

Same for MGS4 then.

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JediMasterMalik

Since 6540 Days

Posted by dcdelgado

Same for MGS4 then.

Great stirring there, I like it. >_>

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kenshin2418

Since 6780 Days

Posted by alimokrane

Fine, but seeing things in motion wont make the colors change now would it ? Same goes for Gears of War, the game was simply lifeless when it come to the levels. a game developer who doesnt know how to mix colors up and rely on gradient levels of the same color doesnt deserve praises in my book. simple!
games like God of War, Prince of Persia Sands of time (not WW or The Two thrones) and Final Fantasy are perfect examples of outstading art direction.

ok that's enough out of you

Anyway, like always, Lair looks like ass in screens. Still, it's probably one of the most impressive games, if not the most, from a technical level. If they can just look in the framerate, then they're set. Gota love Factor 5

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SimonM7

Since 6827 Days

I agree with alimo that the art direction is a bit assy, just like Gears, but much like Gears the actual appeal of the visuals could come from somewhere else.

I won't say that they'll ultimately have similar things going for them but I think Lair has a shot at feeling truly grand and epic. Not only thanks to its subject matter but also because it's frankly a bit more believable this way.

Of course it all falls flat if the game itself is boring, and I've rarely had this bad a sense of whether the game is good or bad before. :O

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kenshin2418

Since 6780 Days

Posted by SimonM7

Of course it all falls flat if the game itself is boring, and I've rarely had this bad a sense of whether the game is good or bad before. :O

Yup, it should be interesting. The game does have it's epic moments from what I've seen, like doing a flyby over the city(or one of the cites?) during the battles. Reminds me of some of the battle scenes from the LOTOR movies, mainly the battle at Gondor. Yup, yup. Should be interesting. I have an overall mix bag of feelings for the game personally.

Still, I've been a big fan of Factor 5's past games, well the Star Wars ones on the Nintendo platforms. I'm trying to believe

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Martijn_

Since 6675 Days

Some screens look amazing some look like crap...that's why I for one need to see this in motion to judge. Personally I think this game could become one of the best or on of the best complete faillures.

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dcdelgado

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Posted by JediMasterMalik

Great stirring there, I like it. >_>

how is it stirring if were talking about crap color pallets lets mentions all the games with it!! (mgs4 is still my main reason for picking up a ps3 crap color pallet or not)

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Phaethon360

Since 6650 Days

Neither Lair or MGS4 have been released. Who knows how much of eithers' levels we have seen. Gears of War is a valid example of a consistent palette and I would have enjoyed seeing diverse environments. Doesn't make Epic Games any less of developer or Gears of War any less of a great game.

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SimonM7

Since 6827 Days

Well, I feel that MGS have always used limited colour palettes but it's had no trouble keeping the settings diverse, nor has it picked "dull" colours that you don't *react* to, nor has it used gritty, textured surfaces to just "mess" details away to gray or brown paste.

Gears and Lair look a lot alike in that sense, while MGS4 still uses a clean, distinct style for different surfaces* and an emphasis on tones of colour. I think it's a fair comparison to use some of the levels from GRAW as examples. Some levels in GRAW had sunsets or sunrises to give a consistent yellow tint or glow to everything, resulting in a way more appealing picture than the gray/brown-ness of the aforementioned games.

But I guess future architecture IS gray and brown. Quake 2 had the look down already.

* Actually Resistance made me take note of this, and Call of Duty also employs a similarly clean style to great effect that redeems their grayness. Their ability to not clutter the picture with excess detail means that different locales can look more distinctly different instead of just blending together in their "messyness".

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Well, I feel that MGS have always used limited colour palettes but it's had no trouble keeping the settings diverse, nor has it picked "dull" colours that you don't *react* to, nor has it used gritty, textured surfaces to just "mess" details away to gray or brown paste.

Gears and Lair look a lot alike in that sense, while MGS4 still uses a clean, distinct style for different surfaces* and an emphasis on tones of colour. I think it's a fair comparison to use some of the levels from GRAW as examples. Some levels in GRAW had sunsets or sunrises to give a consistent yellow tint or glow to everything, resulting in a way more appealing picture than the gray/brown-ness of the aforementioned games.

But I guess future architecture IS gray and brown. Quake 2 had the look down already.

* Actually Resistance made me take note of this, and Call of Duty also employs a similarly clean style to great effect that redeems their grayness. Their ability to not clutter the picture with excess detail means that different locales can look more distinctly different instead of just blending together in their "messyness".

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dcdelgado

Since 6664 Days

IMO from what i have seen mgs4 looks dull as hell in the color pallet dept, but for me mgs has always been about the story and thats what i'm looking forward to.

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SimonM7

Since 6827 Days

Well I suppose if you don't like the glowy yellow tint of it then you're pretty much in for hell. Personally, tones of actual COLOUR I usually have no problem with. It's when it's basically grayscale I lose interest.

Truth is though, some games keep visually interesting even with matte, sometimes almost monochrome locales by varying greatly from level to level.

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JediMasterMalik

Since 6540 Days

Killzone was quite an amazing looking game for the PS2, considering that, the PS3 Killzone will certainly be a visual feast IMO.

/off-topic

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dcdelgado

Since 6664 Days

what is that game RFOLM??

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SimonM7

Since 6827 Days

@ jedimaster

Indeed, and it's like.. Fix the AI and the controls and make it HD and it's great already. That's why I'm looking forward to the sequel so much, they can't possibly disappoint. Not me at least, because I'm not expecting it to look like the trailer did, nor am I ruling out the possibility - I'll be happy with it either way.

I do think they got unexpected competition from what's essentially a first party FPS though, in Resistance. I mean that game won't win awards, but it's big, it's crammed with multiplayer features and it's already played by virtually everyone with a PS3. Killzone might have a tougher than expected time to become the number one flagship FPS on the console, but not because of any "outside" threat, but by a stable-mate! :O

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It's Killzone on PS2

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dcdelgado

Since 6664 Days

Thank God for that :/

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Jollipop

Since 6687 Days

I think with MGS is that even though the colours are dull the charcter models have a flat shaded look (more simplistic textures), stuff like Lair and GoW try to hard with textures and then everything looks too busy.

Sometimes less is more.

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SimonM7

Since 6827 Days

Brilliantly put, in way less words than I'm even capable of outputting at once.

*Lack of Jollipop to kiss results in the kissing of Simon's desk*

Mmm.. woody.

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