Lair... bad reviews... Sony tries damage control with reviewers

Since 7501 Days

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/07/sony-sends-out-l...

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... reviewers, received their copies today of the "Lair Reviewer's Guide" so that they might go back and say, "Yes Sony, we totally don't know how to play video games, thank you! Thank you so much for showing us the light on how to play these ... things. We will now go back and redo our scores with the wealth of information we have been given."

Interesting development. User reviews... not journalists seem all over the board on Lair... I hear it looks pretty darn good... too bad a lot of time and work was put into this game and its a shame thta the controls are hindering the title.

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dcdelgado

Since 6664 Days

Yeah i read this in the week and thought it was funny, but i also read that the developers were stating that the code or office was cursed? or something to that effect :/

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Sath

Since 6671 Days

Well its actually funny...the only part I got to comment is this.

If they know how to play games...how come all of their gameplay videos they show they suck monkey ass?

Like in NG Sigma, they kept getting hit and I kept reading comments how bad they play that game and they they should let someone that is actually good in games to play it.

If a gameplay video sucks, then majority will go in common sense to say that the game is bad.

But once good gameplay videos shows with the same game in very "scripted" looking gameplay, which it was in actual gameplay majority will like it.

People who review the are the ones that have to play the entire game, maybe they are so bad at it that they give it a bad review and score from their experience.

But if a person play VERY good and then review it and score it, it will be good, depending on the game itself of course.

These are couple of the reasons I don't care about reviews.
Sure I just watch the view reviews for "fun", but its nothing I even consider about.

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Well its actually funny...the only part I got to comment is this.

If they know how to play games...how come all of their gameplay videos they show they suck monkey ass?

Like in NG Sigma, they kept getting hit and I kept reading comments how bad they play that game and they they should let someone that is actually good in games to play it.

If a gameplay video sucks, then majority will go in common sense to say that the game is bad.

But once good gameplay videos shows with the same game in very "scripted" looking gameplay, which it was in actual gameplay majority will like it.

People who review the are the ones that have to play the entire game, maybe they are so bad at it that they give it a bad review and score from their experience.

But if a person play VERY good and then review it and score it, it will be good, depending on the game itself of course.

These are couple of the reasons I don't care about reviews.
Sure I just watch the view reviews for "fun", but its nothing I even consider about.

Playing: WarHawk (Playstation 3)
PS3: Heavenly Sword - Lair - Uncharted - Haze - Dark Sector - Killzone 2 - MGS4 - God of War 3
360: Mass Effect - Assassin's Creed - Ninja Gaiden 2 - DMC4 - Too Human - Fable 2 - Resident Evil 5

Acert93

Since 6775 Days

This is one of the worse things Sony could do... horrible PR which will result in a justified negative media response. Very stupid move.

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deftangel

Since 6672 Days

Reviewers guides are not un-common. Same as you often get the same blurb at press screening's for Films. It's not the fac that one exists that is humorous, just that it was late and needed 6 pages for the controls!

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Acert93

Since 6775 Days

Not just that, but that their comments, especially the nasty ones about reviewers being too hardcore, and SUGGESTING they rereview the game after reading the review guides is a JOKE.

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deftangel

Since 6672 Days

Haha I didn't see that, pure damage control. My initial impressions of the game were based on the notion that there was a month or so to go, they'll fix a few of these things, surely

The idea that a casual player will enjoy the controls more than someone with a greater experience in controlling video games with a joypad is completely absurd.

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szaromir

Since 6561 Days

Sony are getting more and more desperated.

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TheBeagle

Since 6410 Days

Whats funny is that you can use the stick on the PSP when you do it that way.

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Jin187

Since 6548 Days

hahahaha, absolutely hilarious... "The Reviewers guide to enjoying an Awful game"

EDIT: Looks like gamespy didnt recieve thier guide soon enough, as it just got 1.5/5(30%)

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mkk316

Since 6617 Days

Oh Sony, why do you pull this crap?

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Optimusv2

Since 6696 Days

Could they have really recently made this? Wouldn't something like this have been planned ahead of time?

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GriftGFX

Since 6804 Days

Posted by deftangel

Reviewers guides are not un-common.

No wai, Sony is just desperate. Hahahahahahahahaha..

:/

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Whats funny is that you can use the stick on the PSP when you do it that way.

I think it's just sorta.. stupid. The game may have had potential if they didn't insist on making it a demo for waggle controls.. sounds as if Sixaxis really destroyed any potential this game could have had.

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szaromir

Since 6561 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

No wai, Sony is just desperate. Hahahahahahahahaha..

:/

If a review quide is sent after the review has been put online with a request to re-review the game it is a sign of desperation... no matter how much you'd like to spin it.

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GriftGFX

Since 6804 Days

Posted by szaromir

If a review quide is sent after the review has been put online with a request to re-review the game it is a sign of desperation... no matter how much you'd like to spin it.

What? I agreed, they're desperate.. hahahahaha/lololol.. etc.

On a more serious note, it's an absolutely terrible PR move, I just think the reactions are about as predictable as Sony's retard response to the reviews. And I wasn't being hard on you specifically szaromir, so don't sweat it.. everyone knows that it's just a bad year to be a PS3 owner, after all.

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mkk316

Since 6617 Days

One things for sure, this puts alot more pressure on Heavenly Sword to come through for Sony. At least for the next little while till more titles are released.

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GriftGFX

Since 6804 Days

Posted by mkk316

One things for sure, this puts alot more pressure on Heavenly Sword to come through for Sony. At least for the next little while till more titles are released.

Where have you been? Heavenly Sword got reviewed first.. and got pretty average reviews itself.. granted, none so low as the sort of reviews Lair received. The only PS3 game released recently to be met with much enthusiasm has been WarHawk.. I'd say it's up to Uncharted to deliver the next big thing on the platform.

Knock on wood, or something.

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mkk316

Since 6617 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Where have you been? Heavenly Sword got reviewed first.. and got pretty average reviews itself.. granted, none so low as the sort of reviews Lair received. The only PS3 game released recently to be met with much enthusiasm has been WarHawk.. I'd say it's up to Uncharted to deliver the next big thing on the platform.

Knock on wood, or something.

im kind of indifferent to HS tbh. that may explain my ignorance.

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Acert93

Since 6775 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

I think it's just sorta.. stupid. The game may have had potential if they didn't insist on making it a demo for waggle controls.. sounds as if Sixaxis really destroyed any potential this game could have had.

To be fair, the game has a lot of gameplay issues as we as noted in reviews. And stuff like graphics, what they hyped for over a year, have some really bad parts. Beyond the reviews, I know PS3 owners who like the game and have said it has some areas with last gen graphics. Graphics are really inconsistant in the game.

Basically an immature product that got released too early.

Oh, beyond Uncharted Sony has Ratchet and Clank, Haze, and Unreal Tournament 3.

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deftangel

Since 6672 Days

I'm not so sure about Haze and UT3. Both are multi-platform (eventually) and surely the UT fans will pick it up on PC and I'm not too sure Haze will do enough to pick up any momentum. If you want to play a console FPS this year, surely you're picking up a 360 and if not Halo 3, one of the others that are readily available.

I see Uncharted, Ratchet, Home & Little Big Planet (even if the latter two are betas) as having potential to do more for the platform than Haze IMO.

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GrimThorne

Since 6677 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

On a more serious note, it's an absolutely terrible PR move

About as bad as a PR move as they could make I'm afraid, embarrassing to be honest.

If I were Factor5 I would have just taken the lumps and moved on, but Sony is just going to drag this out into an even bigger mess.

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McErono

Since 6766 Days

guys I have no idea how many of you ever played lair.

I didn't want to buy it because of the bad reviews but I won an auction and got it for 30euros. some of the best bucks I ever spent!! no kidding!

this game is just awesome!? WTF is wrong with the reviewers? it is simply one of the most amazing games I've ever played on any plattform since 1989! It is THE SHOWCASE for the PS3.

the controls are perfect and spot on (except the lockon system), grafics are amazing (1080i instead of 1080p does help the framerate a lot!) sound is just incredible, gameplay is so rewarding and cool.

I never ever played a game that I liked that much with such bad reviews. it has its faults and bugs but give it a try!!

dont believe the reviews, try it for yourself (at least 2h) and don't miss one of the most amazing pieces of software ever!! ok maybe you think its shitty afterwards but try it - I simply loving it! damn if I really had missed this game because of the reviews... what a shame that would have been!

tip: lair is a very dark game - dont be fooled and crank up the brightness on your sets! it is supposed to be dark - you are destroying its grafics if you crank up the brightness.

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guys I have no idea how many of you ever played lair.

I didn't want to buy it because of the bad reviews but I won an auction and got it for 30euros. some of the best bucks I ever spent!! no kidding!

this game is just awesome!? WTF is wrong with the reviewers? it is simply one of the most amazing games I've ever played on any plattform since 1989! It is THE SHOWCASE for the PS3.

the controls are perfect and spot on (except the lockon system), grafics are amazing (1080i instead of 1080p does help the framerate a lot!) sound is just incredible, gameplay is so rewarding and cool.

I never ever played a game that I liked that much with such bad reviews. it has its faults and bugs but give it a try!!

dont believe the reviews, try it for yourself (at least 2h) and don't miss one of the most amazing pieces of software ever!! ok maybe you think its shitty afterwards but try it - I simply loving it! damn if I really had missed this game because of the reviews... what a shame that would have been!

tip: lair is a very dark game - dont be fooled and crank up the brightness on your sets! it is supposed to be dark - you are destroying its grafics if you crank up the brightness.

dcdelgado

Since 6664 Days

Posted by McErono

tip: lair is a very dark game - dont be fooled and crank up the brightness on your sets! it is supposed to be dark - you are destroying its grafics if you crank up the brightness.

This is just crying out to be a new Sig :)

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GrimThorne

Since 6677 Days

Posted by McErono

guys I have no idea how many of you ever played lair.

I didn't want to buy it because of the bad reviews but I won an auction and got it for 30euros. some of the best bucks I ever spent!! no kidding!

this game is just awesome!? WTF is wrong with the reviewers? it is simply one of the most amazing games I've ever played on any plattform since 1989! It is THE SHOWCASE for the PS3.

the controls are perfect and spot on (except the lockon system), grafics are amazing (1080i instead of 1080p does help the framerate a lot!) sound is just incredible, gameplay is so rewarding and cool.

I never ever played a game that I liked that much with such bad reviews. it has its faults and bugs but give it a try!!

dont believe the reviews, try it for yourself (at least 2h) and don't miss one of the most amazing pieces of software ever!! ok maybe you think its shitty afterwards but try it - I simply loving it! damn if I really had missed this game because of the reviews... what a shame that would have been!

We hear what you're saying and I think we all have played and enjoyed games with bad reviews. But seriously, this ship has sailed already and won't be coming back to port again.

It would have been a better decision to delay the game and finish the tweaks than release HS in it's current condition. Why engage in any embarassing spin where you insult reviewers? It's a bad PR move that's not going to win the game any fans.

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[quote=McErono]guys I have no idea how many of you ever played lair.

I didn't want to buy it because of the bad reviews but I won an auction and got it for 30euros. some of the best bucks I ever spent!! no kidding!

this game is just awesome!? WTF is wrong with the reviewers? it is simply one of the most amazing games I've ever played on any plattform since 1989! It is THE SHOWCASE for the PS3.

the controls are perfect and spot on (except the lockon system), grafics are amazing (1080i instead of 1080p does help the framerate a lot!) sound is just incredible, gameplay is so rewarding and cool.

I never ever played a game that I liked that much with such bad reviews. it has its faults and bugs but give it a try!!

dont believe the reviews, try it for yourself (at least 2h) and don't miss one of the most amazing pieces of software ever!! ok maybe you think its shitty afterwards but try it - I simply loving it! damn if I really had missed this game because of the reviews... what a shame that would have been![/quote]

We hear what you're saying and I think we all have played and enjoyed games with bad reviews.  But seriously, this ship has sailed already and won't be coming back to port again.

It would have been a better decision to delay the game and finish the tweaks than release HS in it's current condition.  Why engage in any embarassing spin where you insult reviewers?  It's a bad PR move that's not going to win the game any fans.

GriftGFX

Since 6804 Days

Well.. I guess I can rent it. PS3 is making me consider rejoining gamefly.

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