A helicopter, and you can swim.. The game looks better all the time imho..

I really liked the demo, I was dissapointed it ended after the 3rd mission, that says enough for me.. I'm positive the final game will be better then this 'E3' demo.. So I will probably buy this game.. For the SP, but also the online MP, which I think is gonna be a blast if played with a couple of friends..

Just gonna wait for the reviews to be 100% sure if I want this game, or Dead Rising..

Fell in love with the game lol, awful framerate tho

Does anyone know how to get the AK47 and to the train?

Everyones seem to be doing it but i dont have a clue how to get to either of em.

So true, where do you get the molotov cocktails to derail the train?

am i the only one that noticed the extremely nice lighteffects? like the white flashing light of the police cars. looks very nice

Played the demo, and these are my foundings...

Con's:

-Terrible tearing, framerate, after playing for an half hour my eyes are pretty screwed up, needless to say it's totaly unacceptable and gameplay suffers severly.

-Weird tree shadows, they're not even shadows, but just a bunch of blocks.

-Unnecesary character custumization, it aint that great, and doesn't suit this game IMO, just use 1 main character and allow no visual custumization, except maybe for some clothes.
This can make room for a character that can actually talk(!) and doesn't just sit/stand there like some weird moron.
And it might make some room for other features like boats, choppers, bike's etc...

-Pathetic "humour", when just walking on the streets people start saying stupid things out of the blue like; "I wish my wife had boobs like that"...or..."I need to see a prostitute". :/
With GTA this was also done, but not as childish; Saint's Row is like a comedian that tries it's utter best to get the crowd going with severe swearing and one-liners one after another, but he just can't cut it, while GTA is the type of comedian that barely needs to say or do anything and the crowd is crying of laughter.

-Cheap car physics, I wasn't expecting much on this point, but I expected it to be atleast a bit more sophisticated than GTA SA.

Pro's:

-Pretty decent graphics.
The world can look very pretty, and the car's look pretty nice to.
And nice lighting and shadowing(except for the tree's).

-Nice and realisitic enviroments, feels pretty alive, much more alive than GTA SA.

-Fun gameplay(as far as it could be with those performance issue's).
Aiming seems pretty solid, AI isn't to bad at all.
Pretty cool physics, lot's of stuff to foul around with.
Very nice weapon/object switch interface.

Though I feel Volition has made some very strange choices/trade-offs with this game, it still can be a very entertaining game, IF the performance issue's are fixed!
If not, that will simply be unacceptable, and this game does not deserve to sell a single copy!

Lol, no, it's not the end of the world, but it's just not acceptable.

If the performance is like this in the final version, do you think it's worth paying 60 euro's for a half ass product?
If you buy a brand new car for the full price, but it doesn't run perfectly smooth (as it should), don't you think it's a tad ridiculous that people go out and buy the car anyway because "it's not the end of the world".

If people keep supporting games like this (half-ass games), this is where we're heading in the future with games on the 360.(exaggeration? maybe, maybe not).

And yes GTA SA also has bad performance, but not as bad as Saint's Row at this point.
And even if it does, is that an valid excuse?

That you say it's a valid excuse is beyond me, but you are probably right in saying that many see it that way, including devs.
Although, I can't recall any game on the Xbox that ran this bad (not saying they're not there).
Sure, in an ideal world all games would look extremely beatiful with 120 fps, and it's indeed not an ideal world.
But there should be minimum standards when it comes down to performance, especially on a console.

Surely, if it drops below 30fps on a rare occasion, I can life with that, but if it struggles to even reach 30fps, that's just proposterous.

Now, I'm waiting for someone to come in and say "If you don't like it, don't buy it".
Sure, it's up to me to buy the game or not, but when most people just accept this crap, insteadt of going against it and pushing the devs to release out some half decent stuff, then the decent titles are getting sparser and sparser.
Don't buy there crappy games, and they will learn the hard way!

Ofcourse, this is just a dream and is never gonna happen, but hey, one can dream right?!
Thankfully, like you said, Japanese devs have higher standards and show other devs that you can release a game that is fun to play, looks pretty, and has very smooth performance (Dead Rising).

Jato, I agree with you. I only disagree on the humor part, I actually do like it. To me, what makes it funny is the randomness of the comments, and sometimes they are spot on. For example when I took a girl out of a crappy car she said, "you are going to steal a car and pick this POS?"

To me, it fits in the situation. I also speak spanish and some of the lines in spanish are pretty funny.

And yes, GTASA didn't have such massive framerate drops. In SR demo, there's this part where everytime you crash in this area the framerate goes to single digits, it's really bad. Also, everytime you drive a car, the framerate never reaches 30fps, NEVER.

And I of course won't buy this game if it has this problems in the final build. I can accept some dropped frames here and there, but nothing beyond that. This should be 30fps LOCKED.

Hmmm, yeah there probably some good ones in there, but to me it seems like they're just pushing it to a point where it's not funny anymore, but then again, that could be a matter of taste.Well then, that's atleast two of us who won't accept this crap, TAKE THAT VOLITION!
Errrrm, yeah...!

Lol, that's a good one, and at the same time it's sad...but it's still a good one...:)

Heres an interesting find, if u put the game on a 4:3 ratio i.e Non Widescreen, the game runs much smoother hits 60fps alt of times, theres still framerate drops but its much smooher :O

Oh and if you want an indication of the framerate in the finished game, watch the title screen movie :D

Only time the framerate in this demo really bugged me was in the liquer store, other then that I hardly noticed any problems.. I was to busy having fun I guess.. And I like the choice for character custumization, it makes the person in the game more 'you'.. It also has to do with the fact that this game is online I think, because there you can use your own character(s) aswell.. And a good story-driven game doesn't have to have a talking main character, the Half-Life games being the prime example.. It's all personal preference I guess..

New screens: http://xboxygen.com/index.php?file=News&op=suite&n...

i didnt even notice any frame rate problems ???!!!???
(do i have some kinda super 360 lol?)

still not convinced about the game, i am starting to think more along the line of OP,
but gonna have another lengthy play of the demo......then see

Ok, I still can't get any of this "pipe bombs". Someone told me I can buy them at the store, but the only thing I can buy at the store is a handgun, WTF?!